I'd personally say the most well-known British WWII battleships would be HMS King George V and Prince of Wales - KGV for engaging Bismarck and being present at the surrender in Tokyo Bay, and Prince of Wales for being sunk off British Malaya. (Hood's probably far more famous than either, but then, she wasn't a battleship.)
For US battleships, the Iowa class - all 4, but particularly Missouri. The only other WWII USN BB that really even comes close to being as publicly well-known is USS Arizona for being sunk at Pearl Harbor.
I'd personally say the most well-known British WWII battleships would be HMS King George V and Prince of Wales - KGV for engaging Bismarck and being present at the surrender in Tokyo Bay, and Prince of Wales for being sunk off British Malaya. (Hood's probably far more famous than either, but then, she wasn't a battleship.)
Gotta wonder what would happen to those ships with masculine titles(King, Prince, Duke) in their class names when KanColle gets to them. Male battleship characters for once perhaps? I mean having 3 couldn't hurt and would be a nice change of mood.
Gotta wonder what would happen to those ships with masculine titles(King, Prince, Duke) in their class names when KanColle gets to them. Male battleship characters for once perhaps? I mean having 3 couldn't hurt and would be a nice change of mood.
You would be surprised what adding a confirmed male character would do there would be flames, whether the popularity would increased or decrease will need to be seen but there will be alot of flak
You would be surprised what adding a confirmed male character would do there would be flames, whether the popularity would increased or decrease will need to be seen but there will be alot of flak
I know there'd be a lot of backlash, but again it's just 3 charas for the sake of change of mood and over all, staying true to the ship's names. Many of the Japanese ships themselves do have masculine name, that I am aware, but title is a different matter here.
Whether or not it will cause the otakus to spiral into despairing seizure that "mai KanColle is bein taken ovah bai fujoshis" because of these 3 characters I do not know but if they make the guys cool without being excessively bishie, I don't see why it could be bad to anyone.
Regarding battleships, would they include even the ones that were on drawing boards but never were produced? For example the Montana-class battleships were designed but the keels were never laid down (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montana-class_battleship).
Gotta wonder what would happen to those ships with masculine titles(King, Prince, Duke) in their class names when KanColle gets to them. Male battleship characters for once perhaps? I mean having 3 couldn't hurt and would be a nice change of mood.
to quote Iona simple because people tend to use female pronouns on their ships hence why mental models are female it seems "natural" that way its no different in kantai collection which are basically the same in sound concept
Gotta wonder what would happen to those ships with masculine titles(King, Prince, Duke) in their class names when KanColle gets to them. Male battleship characters for once perhaps? I mean having 3 couldn't hurt and would be a nice change of mood.
Oh, you mean George, Wales, and York... you know, Bismarck was referred by the Germans as a "he", but it's very common for the navy to address their ship as woman, whatever title she had.
According to the history of "Why naval ships were called as she", it has various versions, but they said it started from the Romans, which one of the oldest European civilization, who were the first to call their boat as she. Also most of the well-known maritime explorers during the age of discovery referred their ships as feminine. Though ironically sailors have a certain belief that woman on board is somehow a sign of bad luck, feminine figurines such as mermaids statues on the prow were the only woman in the ship that considered good luck. In modern times, people calls the ships as it, but most of the navy still address the ship as "she".
I'll be quoting one of Admiral Nimitz famous line:
"A ship is always referred to as "she" because it costs so much to keep her in paint and powder."
1st. I know Bismarck is referred to as "he", I speak German thank you very much. 2nd. Bismarck is treated as a male because the German word for ship is "das Schiff" with a gender neutral designation, therefore since it is named after a man(Otto von Bismarck), it's treated as a male. This logic is not carried over in KanColle because Japanese people doesn't speak German and doesn't know/care about the ship's namesake. But it still makes sense since Bismarck is still called as just 'Bismarck' even if it's named after a guy, not 'Herr Bismarck'. This is distinctively different than a ship with a blatantly masculine title in its name like King, Prince, or Duke. If KanColle do decide to bring these ships in, they better either made these ships male for once(at that point I think there'd probably be over 100+ female ships already, so why not), or rename those titles to Queen, Princess, and Duchess. 3rd. I know why ships are treated as female, and it's because ever since ancient times more often than not the ships will be exclusively operated by men who will not get any contact with a female human in weeks, months, or years. This is a multicultural thing that transcends the "women on ship = bad luck" thing you speak of, because sailing in a large ship requires many physical labor, that's why most ships are a sausagefest. Take that into consideration and combine with the common 'male desire' and there is the answer why its generally agreed upon to treat a ship as a woman but some other ships can still be considered as masculine if named after a male figure.
I won't argue back, I'll just say that we cannot break naval traditions since it may cause bad luck.
For me it really feels weird calling a ship as a "he", it's like homosexual. but for a female captain, things might get different though.
Oh and if you want a canon male character in Kancolle, I think the Shimakaze manga somehow has one... a non-combatant type, probably like Rinnosuke. And the admiral usually portrayed as a man, so it also has male characters.
This is distinctively different than a ship with a blatantly masculine title in its name like King, Prince, or Duke. If KanColle do decide to bring these ships in, they better either made these ships male for once(at that point I think there'd probably be over 100+ female ships already, so why not), or rename those titles to Queen, Princess, and Duchess.
To the best of my knowledge, Battleship King George V was considered to be female by the British sailors... like almost all other British ships.
