...previous strip was about Verniy and Gangut. No Iowa in sight.
I assumed they're still in the same shop as in the earlier post. Reasoning: Gangut was still eating the tamago sushi. Yeah, ido makes out-of-order joke.
...previous strip was about Verniy and Gangut. No Iowa in sight.
Not that previous strip. They are all the eating sushi / having tea time cast. Also, it's not the first time Iowa gets depicted fainting or shocking to Russian and German methods.
"You think that's a heavy tank? THIS is a heavy tank!"
No, that second one is a Main Battle Tank. The main difference is the role it serves, which is more multi-purpose than that of a heavy tank. By that definition it's closer to a medium tank really.
Also, what's the context of this comic? I don't get why this is happening. The previous page is just Hibiki and Gagnut in the bath.
No, that second one is a Main Battle Tank. The main difference is the role it serves, which is more multi-purpose than that of a heavy tank. By that definition it's closer to a medium tank really.
Also, what's the context of this comic? I don't get why this is happening. The previous page is just Hibiki and Gagnut in the bath.
Isn't main tank kind of a modern term though?
I've always been kind of had a hard time distinguishing the terms anyway, not helped by people throwing around the terminology a lot and changing it over the years too.
I always thought medium tanks WERE your main tanks (it was interchangeable), and they represented the class of guns primarily made up of your 105mm cannons and howitzer guns backed up by secondary crew weapons like machine guns and grenade launchers. Light tanks were determined by the use of smoothbore guns and automatic howitzers typical for APCs, and heavy tanks were your big seige guns used by huge fortress/line-breaker tanks like the Char 2c in that one game.
That's proabably not right though, since I guess armor thickness and engine size determines things like mobility and survivability too. Although some tanks probably get used like other classes of tanks anyways.
I know less about tanks than other things I guess, but it always takes me a little bit since people arguing about it come to different conclusions from time to time.
I've always been kind of had a hard time distinguishing the terms anyway, not helped by people throwing around the terminology a lot and changing it over the years too.
I always thought medium tanks WERE your main tanks (it was interchangeable), and they represented the class of guns primarily made up of your 105mm cannons and howitzer guns backed up by secondary crew weapons like machine guns and grenade launchers. Light tanks were determined by the use of smoothbore guns and automatic howitzers typical for APCs, and heavy tanks were your big seige guns used by huge fortress/line-breaker tanks like the Char 2c in that one game.
That's proabably not right though, since I guess armor thickness and engine size determines things like mobility and survivability too. Although some tanks probably get used like other classes of tanks anyways.
I know less about tanks than other things I guess, but it always takes me a little bit since people arguing about it come to different conclusions from time to time.
Light/Medium/Heavy Tanks were WW2 and early Cold-War terms, for the most part.
Light tanks were usually equipped with small caliber cannons (Usually less than 50mm or even autocannons), had thin armour, and tended to be fast. They normally performed recon over direct combat, although in a pinch they could do well against light emplacements like MG nests and infantry.
Medium tanks were equipped with cannons generally between 50 to 90mm in calibers and had armour that was capable of resisting small caliber anti-tank guns (such as those found on light tanks and their standalone versions). Although most were by no means slow, they often were slower than light tanks. They performed decently in all areas including infantry support, tank combat, and attacking heavy emplacements such as bunkers.
Heavy Tanks, on the other hand, were generally big and slow tanks carrying large caliber guns with armour designed to resist just about everything except for other Heavy Tank Cannons (and the generally installed versions of the same gun). Although the slowest of the three classes, they were still decently mobile for the most part. They generally excelled in combat against just about everything except aircraft, but often had the problem of being difficult to maintain, carrying less ammo due to the size of ammo carried, and being much more expensive than medium tanks which could do the exact same thing at slightly higher risk individually.
While this is the system most people know, it wasn't the only system used. As far as I know, only the Germans and Americans used this system to start. Russia and Britain classified their tanks at the start as either Cruiser or Infantry Tanks, although Russia slowly dropped this for the Light/Medium/Heavy classifications. (France used both at the same time, which made things a bit weird) They were more classified according to their role rather than what their weight.
Cruiser Tanks were basically Tank Cavalry. They were extremely mobile and lightly armoured tanks equipped with anti-tank guns which were supposed to attack targets with little to no infantry support and perform independent combat operations. Although poorly armed for anti-infantry work and armoured at the start of the war, by mid to late war Cruiser Tanks were stupidly formidable tanks they were decently armoured, well armed with anti-tank and anti-infantry weapons, and were still stupidly mobile. The Comet was the most well developed explicit cruiser tank, although the Russian T-34 has its origins in the Cruiser Tank concept.
Infantry Tanks were the opposite. They were generally slow and heavily armoured tanks which were supposed to work in coordination with foot infantry to attack targets. They weren't focused on taking out tanks and were often equipped with weapons similar to or only slightly better than the cruiser tanks at use at the same time. The Churchill is the only Infantry Tank which was used throughout the war and its design changed little.
And this brings me to Main Battle Tank, which the Centurion was often attributed to being the first. The Centurion was not designed as a medium tank, it was designed as a Heavy Cruiser Tank. It was supposed to be a Cruiser Tank with the armour and infantry support ability of an Infantry Tank, capable of taking out Tigers while surviving return fire from the same 88 mm guns. It's weight was closer to a Tiger I than the contemporary medium tanks, such as the M4 Sherman. So while it's not a bona-fide heavy tank, the modern MBT is closer to the old Heavy Tank than it is to the Medium Tank.
Good question. Unless someone can point out why, I'm removing the tag.
On the topic of tank classification, just a fun fact that M26 Pershing was originally classifed as heavy tank for its gun and armor, but later reclassified to medium.
Light/Medium/Heavy Tanks were WW2 and early Cold-War terms, for the most part.
Light tanks were usually equipped with small caliber cannons (Usually less than 50mm or even autocannons), had thin armour, and tended to be fast. They normally performed recon over direct combat, although in a pinch they could do well against light emplacements like MG nests and infantry.
Medium tanks were equipped with cannons generally between 50 to 90mm in calibers and had armour that was capable of resisting small caliber anti-tank guns (such as those found on light tanks and their standalone versions). Although most were by no means slow, they often were slower than light tanks. They performed decently in all areas including infantry support, tank combat, and attacking heavy emplacements such as bunkers.
Heavy Tanks, on the other hand, were generally big and slow tanks carrying large caliber guns with armour designed to resist just about everything except for other Heavy Tank Cannons (and the generally installed versions of the same gun). Although the slowest of the three classes, they were still decently mobile for the most part. They generally excelled in combat against just about everything except aircraft, but often had the problem of being difficult to maintain, carrying less ammo due to the size of ammo carried, and being much more expensive than medium tanks which could do the exact same thing at slightly higher risk individually.
While this is the system most people know, it wasn't the only system used. As far as I know, only the Germans and Americans used this system to start. Russia and Britain classified their tanks at the start as either Cruiser or Infantry Tanks, although Russia slowly dropped this for the Light/Medium/Heavy classifications. (France used both at the same time, which made things a bit weird) They were more classified according to their role rather than what their weight.
Italians used the light/medium/heavy classification too, but based on weight alone, so it came to different results than the American one. Light was a tank under 10 tons, medium from 10 to 20 tons, heavy over 20 tons.
No, that second one is a Main Battle Tank. The main difference is the role it serves, which is more multi-purpose than that of a heavy tank. By that definition it's closer to a medium tank really.
Also, what's the context of this comic? I don't get why this is happening. The previous page is just Hibiki and Gagnut in the bath.
Centurion was around before the term MBT really became a proper thing though, it was close to fulfilling the British 'Universal Tank' philosophy though which is more or less the same thing but was more focused on being a medium tank that could fulfil many roles rather than the 60+ ton beasts they are today. Bonus fact that I only just found out: Centurion started development in 1943, started manufacturing in January 1945 and six prototypes were only a few weeks late for the end of World War II. Imagine if we had stopped dicking around trying to cram a 17lber into an M4 turret and given up on the Churchill after Dieppe and focused entirely on that? Although that said it was a good tank so the British Army obviously wouldn't have adopted it in that case.
So while it's not a bona-fide heavy tank, the modern MBT is closer to the old Heavy Tank than it is to the Medium Tank.
No, that's not right. The modern MBT is closer to the medium tank because of the roles. Yes it's heavy and yes it's well armed, just like a heavy tank, but such things naturally increase with time over all the categories. A modern light tank would have been heavier and better armed than a WW2 light tank. The core thing here is that the modern MBT is designed to fulfil a wide array of roles. It should be able to fight just about anything on the ground, whether it's tanks, infantry or lighter vehicles and installations. They are also supposed to be able to perform breakthroughs, outflank the enemy and defend. This wide variety of roles makes it closer to a medium tank. Even though the light/medium/heavy classification isn't actually intended to denote roles it is pretty clear that certain classes are better at certain things than the other classes. In that regard the medium class is definitely the all-rounder, just like the MBT.
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Imagine if we had stopped dicking around trying to cram a 17lber into an M4 turret and given up on the Churchill after Dieppe and focused entirely on that?
No, the Churchill did a good job throughout the war. There was really no point in scrapping it before the end of the war. It has probably the best survivability of all the tanks during the war. Also, the Firefly tank was important during the invasion of France. The Americans thought that their cannons were enough to penetrate German armour and thus didn't bring their shiny new Shermans with the 76mm cannons. Upon facing the German Panthers they found out quickly how wrong they were and American tankers repeatedly called on the British Fireflys to come up and help them.
Take it elsewhere, would you.All this time...
and forever more!!And I am the one that chases!You are the one that runs, Bismarck!Hmm?She ran away?Iowa was taken out.She dashed off in a hurry just a moment ago.You thought I ran?I wonder where Ark Royal is?That's Tiger Shock.Gyaaaa!Kyaaaaaa!Good day.こんにちは
