Something I love about this image is the way it shows how utterly broken Lorgar became after the whole Monarchia debacle and the pilgrimage that followed.
Something I love about this image is the way it shows how utterly broken Lorgar became after the whole Monarchia debacle and the pilgrimage that followed.
Lorgirl: "All i ever wanted was the truth...." -first line in "First heretic"
Lorgirl: "All i ever wanted was the truth...." -first line in "First heretic"
That's been explained as a convenient lie. Lorgar is a religious nutjob whose god tells him "dude, stop with the worship thing, I want a secular empire", yet in his NEED to worship something, he became arguably the most horrible of the traitors.
Lorgar did not want "the truth" as in, hard facts, he wanted "what suited him the most".
That's been explained as a convenient lie. Lorgar is a religious nutjob whose god tells him "dude, stop with the worship thing, I want a secular empire", yet in his NEED to worship something, he became arguably the most horrible of the traitors.
Lorgar did not want "the truth" as in, hard facts, he wanted "what suited him the most".
None of this excuses the massacre of Monarchia's people, nor the intentional effort to publicly humiliate Lorgar and his Legion. Frankly the Emperor did not have a good relationship with his Primarchs, and his actions on Monarchia prove so.
Had he been more willing to accommodate Lorgar's spiritual upbringing and the mindset it created, the Heresy may not have happened as it happened, or may not have been half as widespread or destructive.
That's been explained as a convenient lie. Lorgar is a religious nutjob whose god tells him "dude, stop with the worship thing, I want a secular empire", yet in his NEED to worship something, he became arguably the most horrible of the traitors.
Lorgar did not want "the truth" as in, hard facts, he wanted "what suited him the most".
If the Emperor didn't want people to worship him as a god, he shouldn't have gone around using religious imaginary and terminology while crafting a cult of personality around himself.
Also, the Emperor's hissy-fit was more about how slowly the World Bearers were moving during the Great Crusade then Logar's building the proto-Imperial Cult. He was quite willing to look the other way on Logar's religious actions until he decided that Logar spending time actually rebuilding the planet's he conquered was wasting valuable time, and decided to use that as an excuse to rebuke Logar for his religious leanings. Which is always been been one of the most ironic bits of canon: Logar's efforts were building utterly loyal and economically useful worlds vs the wide swathes of territory filled with hostile and ruined worlds that several of the other legions were creating.
Logar was pretty much doing his job as the PR Primarch until the Emperor decided to be a hypocritical petty bitch instead of actually explaining anything about the psychic tumors infesting the warp.
None of this excuses the massacre of Monarchia's people, nor the intentional effort to publicly humiliate Lorgar and his Legion. Frankly the Emperor did not have a good relationship with his Primarchs, and his actions on Monarchia prove so.
Had he been more willing to accommodate Lorgar's spiritual upbringing and the mindset it created, the Heresy may not have happened as it happened, or may not have been half as widespread or destructive.
Because the Emperor is a fucking idiot.
Guilliman (the one whose Legion razed Monarchia) commented that it was a truly excessive action, and then there's the whole thing with Angron refusing to join the Great Crusade and the Emperor making him do so anyway, leaving his band of bros to die horribly at De'shea.
Also, even before the Great Crusade started, the priest Uriah was giving the Emperor shit for his hypocrisy.
Guilliman (the one whose Legion razed Monarchia) commented that it was a truly excessive action, and then there's the whole thing with Angron refusing to join the Great Crusade and the Emperor making him do so anyway, leaving his band of bros to die horribly at De'shea.
Also, even before the Great Crusade started, the priest Uriah was giving the Emperor shit for his hypocrisy.
The biggest problem was the Emperor was always a hypocrite and idiot. Basically, he ascended to literally being a god .... but deny it because he think "being human" would make everyone related .... while he threatened his literal children as tools and weapons for his crusade. Also the fact he never seems to always communicate things properly, trust his own childrens and keep things in secret. As that result, Lion El' Johnson became a paranoid along with his legion, and ramp out once HH and the destruction if Caliban. Making them so paranoids to keep things in secret they kill even other astartes or anyone , to even nuke entire planets from orbits just to keep things in secret all the time. HECK! with their 2 balls went against the Custodes on Terra when they keep Cypher in captivity there (before Cy said: LOL NO! and just disappear again).
"Have you lost your temper, Roboute?" Lorgar asks. They can hear the smile.
"I am going to gut you." Guilliman replies softly.
"You have lost your temper. The great and calm and level-headed Roboute Guilliman has finally succumbed to passion."
"I will gut you. I will skin you. I will behead you."
"Ah, Roboute," Lorgar murmurs. "Here, at the very end, I finally hear you talk in a way that actually makes me like you."
"Precondition of malice," says Guilliman, barely a whisper. "You took the Campanile. By my estimation, you took it at least a hundred and forty hours ago. You took the ship, and you staged it. You organised this atrocity, Lorgar, and you made it seem like a terrible accident so you could capitalise on our mercy. You made us stay our hand while you committed murder."
"It's called treachery, Roboute. It works very well. How did you find out?"
