the argument for not having Mokou in the fighting games is because she would be overpowered, no?

That always made me wonder why ZUN added Utsuho

Utsuho is slow.

putting immortality aside(Its danmaku in a fighting style anyway). I like to think that Mokou's canon fightng style makes her overpowering and ZUN doesnt want to make a downgraded version of it as that would be butchering Mokou.

I always thought of Mokou's fighting style as the cracked up version of Kyo Kusanagi from King of Fighters, Sol Badguy from Guilty Gear and Enja from Samurai Shodown 5.

Tetsamaru said:
putting immortality aside(Its danmaku in a fighting style anyway). I like to think that Mokou's canon fightng style makes her overpowering and ZUN doesnt want to make a downgraded version of it as that would be butchering Mokou.

Still i desire, I DESIRE using her in the next fighting game. It's the passion of you not giving up in using a character that makes others see it being imbalanced.
Heck i can use Cirno and whoop my friend's ass anyday.

EmaEiishi said:
Still i desire, I DESIRE using her in the next fighting game. It's the passion of you not giving up in using a character that makes others see it being imbalanced.
Heck i can use Cirno and whoop my friend's ass anyday.

You bring up a good point. Also, while i understand that fighting games are usually made with trying to make everyone "Equal". Canon info would most certainly make some characters automatically "i'm better than you."

By all means, Meirin is considered one of the "Weakest" characters in the fighting games but she should be able to womp on Cirno no problem.

Likewise, the whole Mokou issue and that ZUN admited she would be "Overpowered" leads me to believe that what we see in the fighting games is less "Gameplay mechanics" and more ZUN saying "This is how they actually fight". By that, ofcourse some characters end up better than others.

Tetsamaru said:
Likewise, the whole Mokou issue and that ZUN admited she would be "Overpowered" leads me to believe that what we see in the fighting games is less "Gameplay mechanics" and more ZUN saying "This is how they actually fight". By that, ofcourse some characters end up better than others.

I think the only think that can help solve that matter is an actual fighting game engine that'll give Touhou games the polishing it needs to the point where, yeah, Mokou is powerful and with a fighting style of her own, but she's not entirely overpowered. Arcana Heart works the same way when you think about.

Yukari is a pretty powerful character as well, so is Utsuho when you think about it, and Reimu and Marisa be default are the strongest in gensokyo.

An actual fightin game engine would be nice. But that would require the game to either take place on the Moon or have Reimu totally dis-avow her own spell card rules since after Game 6, she became the judge/jury/executioner. She went from someone who just solved incidents to freaking "Mall cop".

While I know in my heart this is probably wrong. I like to think that the battles in Touhou are half and half of pure Danmaku battles that we see in the regular games as well as the fighting we see in the fighting games. Because some characters are diffenetly more projectile based than others while some are also more melee based. If the spell card rules are there to ensure "Equal" and "Fair play". There would most diffenetly need to be different ways of fighting to accomidate everyone's fighting styles.

Otherwise, it makes my theory that Reimu is a cheating bastard because since its her rules, she already has an unfair advantage againsts everyone.

I thought he said something along the lines of "let's get some weaker ones first" when it came to Mokou (and Kaguya), then talking about lower bosses like Wriggle and Nitori (who were apparently removed for time reasons).

And the name of the fighting game?

IIRC, it's not so much that Mokou and Kaguya couldn't be sufficiently balanced to not break the game, it's that adjusting their movesets to do that would've taken too long. So they were left out of the fighting game.

Hopefully they'll be there in the next one.

Anyway, these sprites appear to actually be based on Judas from Tales of Destiny 2, this is apparently based on his second Hi-Ougi.

Is this one move or a series of multiple moves? Because if it is one move then the order looks a bit off to me